“Torch” — Part V, Page 47

Posted on March 15, 2010 at 10:05 am in FINDER as part of TorchTorch - Part Five, « TorchTorch - Part Five, . Follow responses to this post with the comments feed. You can leave a comment or trackback from your own site.

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  1. Oneiros says:

    She’s got Jaeger’s 16 power point club?

    I guess what the monks mean by “face your sin” is since she killed the kitten’s mother, the kitten is now her responsibility.

  2. Ronaldo says:

    Actually, it’s the monks’ famous “Flying Baby” attack.

    They never see it coming.

  3. reptangle says:

    Aww! I want a winged kitten too!
    Can they be taught to do the dishes?

  4. reptangle says:

    Wait, let her back in? She wants to go back in?

  5. Oneiros says:

    Good question. I’m a bit confused about that, now that you mention it.

  6. Oneiros says:

    Did Hauhet want to go back in to see what other things were going on that she didn’t approve of? Find other neglected constructs for her to euthanize?

  7. InterestedBystander says:

    In her left hand… is that what I think it is?

  8. Owlmirror says:

    She has a war club. Nothing says that it has to be the same as Jaeger’s, or have the same number of points.

    In fact, it looks less decorated than the one Jaeger was wielding.

    It bothers me that the lanyard goes from being on her wrist to just jumping off like that. I tried with an umbrella, and the mechanics of a weight on a lanyard just don’t work like that — the weight pulls the lanyard down, not off. That’s kinda the point.

    /nerd

  9. Oneiros says:

    Well, I did pose it as a question, not a statement. But the similarity of her weapon to Jaeger’s is striking enough to be worth mention.

    But, yes, now that YOU mention the lanyard point, I think you make a good point.

    Nice to see you owning your nerdiness. ;)

  10. Oneiros says:

    Actually, looking at the last panel again, it’s the bat that’s flown free of her hands, not the club. The club may have remain attached to her forearm, with the lanyard slipped further up her arm out of sight.

    But where did she get her weapons from? She wasn’t carrying them both with her the whole time she was running, was she?

  11. Big city, she went away and came back.

  12. jessy says:

    Ah journalists, when you got a good lead chomp down dont let go. She still wants to know where the ‘mothers’ come from. There’s plenty of story left in these monks for Hauhet!
    Even more now she’s a wee bairn to look after, I wonder if the monks are doing a four baby thing with her, sort of if you find our treatment of constructs so abhorrent take responsibility for one and lets see what choices you make for it.

  13. jessy says:

    oops mistype I meant to say flour babies.
    (just in case it was a book about a teacher who gave her students bags of flour as surrogate babies. they had to look after the ‘babies’ as if they were real to teach the kids first hand a good lesson in responsibility)

  14. Twitch says:

    and the moral of the story is: never taunt an angry monk (much less a crowd of them)

    (chucking a live fuckskunk-baby at Hauhet is about the worst thing I can imagine the monks would do to her :P )

  15. Silly Hauhet, you don’t use a baseball bat to play fuckskunk baby! All you need is a fuckskunk and a street to play in!

  16. Oneiros says:

    I’m feeling bothered by the use of the term “fuckskunk”.

  17. Speed says:

    You’re stuck with it, it’s mine.

  18. Oneiros says:

    Oh, I don’t mind when YOU use it. I just feel bothered by the way Twitch and Des are tossing it around. I know they’re just being funny, but I guess I feel for the little kitty.

  19. reptangle says:

    Yeah, – the poor little thing… and at isn’t even a skunk.

  20. Owlmirror says:

    Vell, ze problem is zat Speed haz created an ünterclass in zese part-human beingz zat no vun in zis vorld rezpects, und haz alzo created a degradink label uzed againzt ze people of zis ünterclass zat strongly impliez zat zey only egzist for ze pleazure of ze überclass, und are neverzeless undezireable or phyzically unpleazant. Uzing zis label az beink somehow normative suggests zat zere are some deeply-rooted psychological prejudices zat are beink appealed to; an outgroup-shaming from a member of a group — ze Ascians — zat is itself nearly at ze bottom of ze social hierarchy. Ven uzed by a member of a privileged überclass, ze psychology appearz to be a much more unpleazant reinforcement of dominant class power und privilege.

    /soc. psych.
    /terrible fake Viennese accent

    That having been said, I suspect that the ones who will most take umbrage are those who have a certain fetish for appearing as being anthropomorphic non-human animals.

    /not a furry

  21. Oneiros says:

    Cute, Owlmirror.

    I do have a deep appreciation for the cute.

    As for no one in this world respecting the constructs, Hauhet is not no one. But you bring up a great point that Hauhet is herself in a low class with the Ascians. So it’s interesting how she uses the term “fuckskunk”. I think we’re watching a process here. Or something similar to when a oppressed class reclaims the use of denigrating terms that are normally used against them.

  22. Owlmirror says:

    As for no one in this world respecting the constructs, Hauhet is not no one.

    Where has Hauhet shown respect? She’s shown interest, and perhaps a certain outraged compassion. But Speed even says “Hauhet saw an animal alone, and in pain”.

    An animal, not a person.

    Or something similar to when a oppressed class reclaims the use of denigrating terms that are normally used against them.

    Have we seen any of the furry constructs (or anthropomorphs, I suppose, since not all of them are furry) even use the term? It’s not anything like that.

  23. One of the first times we saw Jaeger (after killing three guys in a bar) was mugging a construct for his work equipment, mocking him the while, and quite possibly getting him shitcanned from his job. Jaeger, we should remember, has done shit _way_ worse than what Rachel did to those two Ascian guys that she accidentally got murdered, which doesn’t make what she did the slightest bit more okay, because identity group categories are kind of nonsense when it comes to ethics. “Ain’t no such thing as indigenous – it all comes down to push and shove over territory.” People do shit like that.

    Really terrifying conservative movements will have far fewer converts if progressives get a lot clearer on the point that some underclass folks will act like bastards simply because they are, just like many of the rich do, and not because the rich bastards are making them do it. Humans aren’t all beast, memetic evolution has been catching up genetic evolution for quite some time now in our special species instance (and we don’t know what knew ideas might evolve or how far they’ll eventually take us) – but everyone’s a bit brutal just on account of being brutes, we often don’t need to be brutalized beforehand.

    There, that rant was probably out of the blue and a little silly, but I did quote Jaeger during it, so I feel okay.

  24. lethe says:

    If she had killed the baby too, I wonder what would happen…

  25. One of the first times we saw Jaeger (after he killed three guys in a bar) was mugging a construct for his work equipment, mocking him the while, and quite possibly getting him shitcanned from his job. Jaeger, we should remember, has done shit _way_ worse than Hauhet, way worse than what Rachel did getting those two Ascian guys murdered, which doesn’t make what she did the slightest bit more okay, because identity group categories are kind of nonsense when it comes to ethics. “Ain’t no such thing as indigenous – it all comes down to push and shove over territory.”

    Some really terrifying conservative movements will have fewer converts if we all get clearer on the fact that some underclass folks will act like bastards simply because they’re bastards, same as with the rich, or if the rich can’t help it either, who’s oppressing them? Where does oppression start in the first place?

    Humans aren’t all beast, memetic evolution has been catching up genetic evolution for quite some time now (humans are incredibly special maybe in how fast that evolution is happening, with no clear idea how far we can go or what we can become because of it) – but everyone’s a bit brutal simply on account of being brutes, we often don’t need to be brutalized beforehand.

    There, that rant was probably out of the blue and a little silly, but I did quote Jaeger during it, so I feel okay.

  26. Inkthinker says:

    Have we seen any of the furry constructs (or anthropomorphs, I suppose, since not all of them are furry) even use the term?

    For that matter, have we seen them do anything that indicates that have more than a childlike intelligence? (serious question, I haven’t read every volume. It’s possible I missed something).

    Given that they’re constructs, it’s possible, even likely, that they’re designed to be mentally inferior, to require care while being capable of performing tasks. Now, how messed up is that?

  27. Lissa Quon says:

    Inkthinker,

    Mystery Date had one that was a regular character. He didn’t seem retarded or childlike, he seemed to be possessing of normal faculties mentally.

  28. Owlmirror says:

    For that matter, have we seen them do anything that indicates that have more than a childlike intelligence?

    Yes, we have. They have at least average adult human intelligence and temperament. Frex: Vary’s friend Ollie isn’t stupid, although I seem to recall that he’s illiterate, because they aren’t given any sort of education.

    Given that they’re constructs, it’s possible, even likely, that they’re designed to be mentally inferior, to require care while being capable of performing tasks.

    I was leafing through Sin-Eater V1, and noticed the raccoon-morph zookeeper. The endnotes say that he was originally bred to be an accountant, which is why he has five digits on his hands instead of the much more typical four for constructs. He’s forbidden to leave the grounds of the zoo.

    They’re basically chattel slaves.

  29. Mr Frisky says:

    *Looks at watch*

    *Looks at calendar*

    *Sighs*

    Dagblastit. Our lady sure knows a sustainable cliffhanger when she gets to one, don’t she?

    *Grumble, grumble; razzafrazzin; it’s not like he were paying money for the privilege . . .*

  30. reptangle says:

    Dang Spring break.

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